{"id":8888,"date":"2012-03-28T08:00:47","date_gmt":"2012-03-28T12:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/?p=8888"},"modified":"2012-04-04T12:57:10","modified_gmt":"2012-04-04T16:57:10","slug":"punches-were-thrown","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/2012\/03\/28\/punches-were-thrown\/","title":{"rendered":"PUNCHES WERE THROWN"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><BR><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>Rabbi Samuel Benjamin<\/strong><\/span> &#8212; from my synagogue &#8212; was arrested by the cops and beat up by congregants.\u00a0 Then he got fired.\u00a0 He went off to Jerusalem.<\/p>\n<p>He resurfaced stateside in Jacksonville, Florida.<\/p>\n<p>This was in 1926.\u00a0 Rabbi Benjamin fought the great Conservative-Orthodox civil war at the Cleveland Jewish Center, East 105<sup>th<\/sup> Street, in the early 1920s.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/civl-war-conservative-orthodox.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-8528\" title=\"civl war conservative orthodox\" src=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/civl-war-conservative-orthodox-290x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"290\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/civl-war-conservative-orthodox-290x300.jpg 290w, https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/civl-war-conservative-orthodox.jpg 775w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 290px) 100vw, 290px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>Rabbi Benjamin<\/strong><\/span> oversaw the construction of a huge new sanctuary, complete with a swimming pool, and was supposed to keep the <em>shul<\/em> Orthodox.\u00a0<strong><\/strong> He tried.\u00a0 But the Conservatives wanted him out.\u00a0 Punches were thrown.\u00a0 One of the punchers was a certain Philip Rocker.\u00a0 Check it out.*\u00a0 The rabbi left town.<\/p>\n<p>The Cleveland Jewish Center, aka the \u201cPolish synagogue,\u201d aka Anshe Emeth Beth Tefilo, stayed at East 105<sup>th<\/sup> Street for a couple decades, then moved to a park-like setting in Cleveland Heights.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>I belong<\/strong><\/span> to the Heights <em>shul<\/em> &#8212; Park Synagogue.\u00a0 I do not see any signs of civil war.\u00a0 Very few congregants know about Rabbi Benjamin.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-8943\" title=\"yuri foreman\" src=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/yuri-foreman.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"289\" height=\"175\" \/>Rabbis don\u2019t get in fights like they used to, either.\u00a0 Does any rabbi don boxing trunks with the Jewish star?\u00a0 I think there is a Russian rabbi in New York who does. \u00a0[Yes, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nbcnewyork.com\/news\/sports\/Yuri-Foreman-The-Boxing-Rabbi-69774662.html\">Yuri Foreman<\/a>. Photo: Foreman taking a punch from Miguel Cotto.]<\/p>\n<p>My rabbi doesn\u2019t fight &#8212; my guess.\u00a0 If he does, he\u2019s a welterweight.\u00a0 He&#8217;s not big.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>Some rabbis<\/strong><\/span> play basketball.\u00a0 Several Cleveland rabbis played an exhibition basketball game at the Cleveland Cavaliers pre-game this month.\u00a0 There was no score in ten minutes.<\/p>\n<p>Next year for the pre-game, the rabbis should reenact the Conservative-Orthodox civil war of 1921.<br \/>\n&#8212;<\/p>\n<p><small>* &#8220;Near [Rabbi Benjamin&#8217;s] house was Philip Rocker, son of Samuel Rocker of <em>The Jewish World<\/em>. He waited for the rabbi and when he saw him he attacked him and beat him up quite severely.&#8221;\u00a0 From <em>Jewish Life in Cleveland in the 1920s and 1930s<\/em> by Leon Wiesenfeld, 1965.\u00a0<\/small><br \/>\n&#8212;<br \/>\n<strong><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><big>SIDE B<\/big><\/span><\/strong><br \/>\n<small><em> Jumping ahead about 90 years . . .<\/em><\/small><\/p>\n<p><strong><big><big>THE JEWISH WEDDING BAND WARS, 2009<br \/>\n<\/big><\/big><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>The Orthodox Jewish<\/strong><\/span> (OJ) music scene is centered in New York City, where most of the OJ gigs are.<\/p>\n<p>An OJ band not based in New York is called an \u201cout of town\u201d band, even if the band plays its own hometown.\u00a0 There are a couple home-grown \u201cout of town\u201d OJ bands in Cleveland.<\/p>\n<p>The Barry Cik Orchestra dominated the Orthodox Jewish Cleveland music scene in the 1980s.\u00a0 Cik had <em>yikhes<\/em> (lineage), coming from a long line of distinguished Hungarian musicians.\u00a0 I played a couple gigs with him.\u00a0 His talented son Yehuda became an Ortho pop star.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/band-of-7.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-8930\" style=\"border: 2px solid black;\" title=\"band of 7\" src=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/band-of-7-278x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"278\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/band-of-7-278x300.jpg 278w, https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/band-of-7.jpg 557w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 278px) 100vw, 278px\" \/><\/a>Barry Cik<\/strong><\/span> was superseded in Cleveland by the Kol Simcha Orchestra in the 1990s.\u00a0 Some bridal couples perceived Cik as not being <em>frum <\/em>(religiously observant)<em> <\/em>enough.\u00a0 The Orthodox world, in general, was becoming increasingly more ritually observant.<\/p>\n<p>Cik placed an ad in the Cleveland <em>Jewish Times<\/em> (no longer in existence) in 1991 that read in part: \u201cI am as scrupulous in <em>shimras Shabbos<\/em> [guarding the Sabbath] as I can be, and I don\u2019t believe that I\u2019m any less <em>Shomer Shabbos<\/em> [Sabbath-observant] than most anybody else.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Cik sometimes played for non-Orthodox Jewish <em>simchas <\/em>(celebrations) with mixed dancing &#8212; men and women dancing together.\u00a0 Kol Simcha &#8212; the new band&#8211; typically didn\u2019t play for mixed dancing. \u00a0Kol Simcha picked up a chunk of Cik\u2019s <em>frummer <\/em>gigs.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/eating-utensils.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-8932\" title=\"eating utensils\" src=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/eating-utensils-300x288.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"189\" height=\"181\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/eating-utensils-300x288.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/eating-utensils.jpg 623w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 189px) 100vw, 189px\" \/><\/a>Kol Simcha\u2019s<\/strong><\/span> drummer got in trouble for using <em>treyf<\/em> (non-kosher) meat at his kosher Chinese restaurant, so he left town.\u00a0 Still, Kol Simcha &#8212; the band &#8212; stayed in business.\u00a0 The lead singer, Rabbi Simcha Mann, was a very good singer.<\/p>\n<p>Several years later Simcha Mann\u2019s expert keyboard player, Yosef Greenberger, put together a one-man band, which cut into Kol Simcha\u2019s full-band wedding business.<\/p>\n<p>Simcha Mann and Yosef Greenberger took their dispute to an unofficial <em>beis din<\/em> (house of judgment), where three rabbis decided Greenberger could keep his one-band and Rabbi Mann could have the full-band scene. \u00a0The two musicians agreed not to cut into each other\u2019s turf.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>This ruling<\/strong><\/span> held for 13 years, 1996 to 2009.<\/p>\n<p>In 2009 Greenberger and Mann remembered the ruling differently.\u00a0 Greenberger recalled the rabbis saying the ruling was void if new competition came to town.\u00a0 Greenberger\u2019s Jewish-law counsel, his <em>toyan<\/em>, backed him up in writing.\u00a0 Mann disagreed.<\/p>\n<p>New bands were playing Cleveland.\u00a0 Yosef expanded to a full band.\u00a0 Orthodox bands from Columbus, Ohio, and Detroit came through.\u00a0 A young Orthodox musician started a new Cleveland Ortho band.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/kosher-tag1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-8924\" title=\"kosher tag\" src=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/kosher-tag1-1024x674.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"387\" height=\"255\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/kosher-tag1-1024x674.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/kosher-tag1-300x197.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 387px) 100vw, 387px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong>Yiddishe Cup<\/strong><\/span> joined the fray!\u00a0 But Yiddishe Cup had three major flaws:<\/p>\n<p>1. <em>Yikhes<\/em> (lineage\/pedigree).\u00a0 We had none.<br \/>\n2. We didn\u2019t know the OJ repertoire very well.<br \/>\n3. Yiddishe Cup\u2019s name was unorthodox.<\/p>\n<p>For Ortho purposes, Yiddishe Cup became Shir Perfection.\u00a0 (<em>Shir<\/em> is Hebrew for <em>song<\/em>.) \u00a0\u00a0We had an Ortho singer who knew all the Ortho tunes.\u00a0 We\u00a0 held a couple rehearsals.\u00a0 These get-togethers were secretly called Project O. \u00a0(\u2018O\u201d for Orthodox.)\u00a0 One musician called our project &#8220;Project Zero&#8221;; he didn\u2019t like OrthoRock music and dropped out.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993366;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/hypno-klez1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-8937\" style=\"border: 2px solid black;\" title=\"hypno klez\" src=\"http:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/hypno-klez1-300x258.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"180\" height=\"155\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/hypno-klez1-300x258.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.yiddishecup.com\/blog\/home\/yiddis6\/public_html\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/hypno-klez1.jpg 695w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 180px) 100vw, 180px\" \/><\/a>We didn\u2019t<\/strong><\/span> get any gigs.\u00a0 We thought we might get a couple.\u00a0 For instance, Yiddishe Cup once played an OJ wedding for the daughter of an Orthodox blues harmonica player.\u00a0 The dad, who didn\u2019t blow on <em>shabbes<\/em>, sat in with us.<\/p>\n<p>We were looking for Ortho gigs like that.<\/p>\n<p>Still looking.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rabbi Samuel Benjamin &#8212; from my synagogue &#8212; was arrested by the cops and beat up by congregants.\u00a0 Then he got fired.\u00a0 He went off to Jerusalem. 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